Christ’s Coming, Coming, Coming, Coming

When Is He Coming?

I find discussions about Christ’s Second Coming to be interesting. Jesus tells us to watch for Him, be ready for Him, comfort one another with these thoughts, know the signs of the times, etc. So it’s only natural that many Christians get excited about the topic. What’s kinda fun is that we split into (generally) two different camps: Jesus coming before the Great Tribulation, and Jesus coming after the Great Tribulation.

Both views claim the Bible supports their position – but they can’t both be right. One or both views are wrong. But which one(s)?

In trying to study up on Christ’s Second Coming, I ran into several people who insisted that the precise use of the word “coming” is the key to unlocking the mystery. Passages dealing with the topic, specifically and 2, must be interpreted with careful attention to how Jesus is coming: is He coming with His saints, or is He coming for His saints. They insisted that if a phrase says He’s coming with His saints, then it’s the Second Coming at the end of the Great Tribulation. If the phrase says He’s coming for His saints, then the verse is talking about the pre-trib Rapture.

Or so they claim.

This approach seems to leave a valid option off the table.

Me: “But why can’t the rapture be at the end of the Great Tribulation, seconds before the Second Coming?”
Them: “Nope! Check . Jesus comes and we’re caught up to meet Him in the air!”
Me: “Not so fast – that passage makes no mention of where Jesus goes after meeting His saints in the air. Does He go back up to heaven with His saints? Does He continue down to earth with His saints? The passage doesn’t say, yet you’re insisting it’s one and not the other. On what basis?”
Them: “Well.. .. it’s in Revelation!”

And of course when you try to get them to show you where in Revelation, they point to a vague verse (usually ), and when you say it’s vague, they say it’s clarified by a proper (ie, pre-trib) understanding of ff. If this sounds circular to you, then you’re hearing what I’m hearing.

Eventually the topic comes back to a “proper” understanding of and 2, where one fellow got quite belligerent with me, insisting that I’m not paying attention to the specific use of the word ‘coming’ in those passages. “You’ve got it wrong because ‘coming *WITH*’ is not the same as ‘coming *FOR*’. So it HAS to mean that there are two different events!! You can’t merge them!! There are TWO ‘comings’!!”
Me: “So why does Paul switch back and forth between the two different comings so quickly from verse to verse. That seems rather inelegant.”
Him: “You’re missing the point!!”

Ya don’t say.

Come Again?

So I thought I’d read through the Bible and look for all references to Jesus’ “coming” and see if there are any differences between these “comings”. Lo and behold: there aren’t two comings – there are FOUR!!!

Comes with Angels:
[+] For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. ()

[+] When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. ()

[+] For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. ()

[+] For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. ()

Comes with Clouds:
[+] And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” ()

Comes with Clouds AND Angels:
[+] Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. ()

Comes WITHOUT Clouds or Angels:
[+] When he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed. ()

Looks like I’m going to have to revise my Larkin Dispensational Chart.

Again.


1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers, as is right, because your faith is growing abundantly, and the love of every one of you for one another is increasing. Therefore we ourselves boast about you in the churches of God for your steadfastness and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions that you are enduring.

This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed. 11 To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power, 12 so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. (ESV)


17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. (ESV)


4:1 After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” (ESV)


17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. (ESV)


1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace.

We give thanks to God always for all of you, constantly mentioning you in our prayers, remembering before our God and Father your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ. For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake. And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you received the word in much affliction, with the joy of the Holy Spirit, so that you became an example to all the believers in Macedonia and in Achaia. For not only has the word of the Lord sounded forth from you in Macedonia and Achaia, but your faith in God has gone forth everywhere, so that we need not say anything. For they themselves report concerning us the kind of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. (ESV)


27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. (ESV)


31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. (ESV)


38 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” (ESV)


26 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. (ESV)


62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” (ESV)


30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (ESV)


10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed. (ESV)

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